on the hill, people in the white house, people-elected officials. and at a certain point, they would say, "hey, you know what congressman x? or you know what, staffer x? you're really good at this. when you're done -- have you thought about what you're going to do when you leave the hill?" and they'd say, "well, not really." or they would just sort of leave the question open. and jack abramoff said, "i knew that when i could ask that question, i owned him." because there's a pre-emptive bribe there. it's -- you know, "you're going to be making maybe a million dollars at my lobbying firm, if you answer this question correctly and you act correctly." i mean, in your office, if you can help us. if you can maintain this friendship for as long as you're in power. i mean -- when you see peter orszag going to citigroup, when you see jake seiwert going to goldman, when you see geoff morrell going to bp, it does sort of beg the question, "who were they working for when they were at the pentagon, at the omb, at the treasury department?" i mean, you just sort of wonder where their mind is. >> trent lott.